Alternative Medicine hype?

Alternative Medicine hype?

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>Trust me, >the fraud is in conventional medicine.

Strangely, I don’t trust you. >You can easily find a good practitioner in alternative medicine.

Hahahaha. Conventional medicine is a fraud, but you can "easily" find a good alt practitioner. Sure. >Just do your research. I’ll even help you if you need it. Anything >to bring you over from the "dark" side…seriously, alternative >medicine treats the cause of disease while conventional medicine >usually just treats symptoms.

A very common claim from alts. Unfounded, but common. > this is why you "think" that it takes alot longer…It’s not that >it is a longer process per se but it’s the right process. The ONLY >process. Drugs to NOT make you healthy. They mask symptoms while >creating many others…I’ll stop now..sorry, I’m just a very >passionate practioner.

Passion is no substitute for accuracy. — David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "Few things give a greater feeling of security than a full gas tank."

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>Anyway, doesn’t that kind of thinking run counter to the spirit of holistic >health in which health models compliment each other, rather than oppose each >other?

You are absolutely right. It is down right unspiritual of me. But I also have a very long memory and have studied the matter from since the beginning of the war to the present. So perhaps I have more to forgive than most people. (:->) Roger

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: It is my vast experience that EVERY alternative healer that I ever : went to is ready, willing, and able to send their patients to : conventional providers when necessary. ### VAST experience? How come you’re always so sick that you need a healer that often? I don’t practice alt. meds and seldom see a health practitioner. And we notice that you never mention what all your endless health problems are. And they have done so with me. : Partly because they respect the diagnostic abilities of conventional : providers. Partly because they do not want to take the heat of : malpractice. Partly because they are smart enough to know that some : symptoms can kill a person. ### So what good are they then? : : MDs are the ‘dark side’ only because they try to establish an absolute : monopoly. Otherwise, they are great and have much to contribute. ### A monopoly…. — Carol…. Thinking of trying health alternatives? … See: http://www.quackwatch.com/index.html first. : : Roger :

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Good for you! It sounds like you did your homework and it has paid off. > MDs are the ‘dark side’ only because they try to establish an absolute > monopoly. Otherwise, they are great and have much to contribute.

I don’t agree with this generalization in 1999. Especially after the AMA lost the chiropractic lawsuit in the 80s. If you want to generalize about MDs, and I don’t think that is a very fruitful way to think, they, like myself and probably you, want accountability in the health care system. Once a health care profession can establish that, MDs can support it. The real life examples that I have personaly witnessed involve the political battles for licensing naturopathic doctors. In most states the mainstream medical (MD/DO) community is not opposed. Why? First, it took the naturopathic profession about 80 years to uniformally assert self-discipline, throw away dogma, and demand high standards of practice and education (mostly grounded in science) of themselves. Secondly, the allopathic medical community was also aware of the ugly alternative to the licensed naturopathic alternative–mainly mail-order frauds diagnosing patients and prescribing treatment. And it is not coincidence that these folks are the primary opposition to the licensing of naturopathic doctors. Really, Roger, in the Northwest where just about every alternative health professional is licensed and becoming quite integrated into the bigger health systems picture, (and especially in Washington where insurance covers most folks), you just don’t hear that them/us, good/evil, light/dark nonsense anymore. Anyway, doesn’t that kind of thinking run counter to the spirit of holistic health in which health models compliment each other, rather than oppose each other?

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>3. And in your "practice" do you ever work with conventional providers from >the ‘dark’ side?

It is my vast experience that EVERY alternative healer that I ever went to is ready, willing, and able to send their patients to conventional providers when necessary. And they have done so with me. Partly because they respect the diagnostic abilities of conventional providers. Partly because they do not want to take the heat of malpractice. Partly because they are smart enough to know that some symptoms can kill a person. MDs are the ‘dark side’ only because they try to establish an absolute monopoly. Otherwise, they are great and have much to contribute. Roger

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: Trust me, : the fraud is in conventional medicine. *** Why should we trust *you?* A total stranger. You can easily find a good practitioner : in alternative medicine. *** Are they now Board Certified? Just do your research. I’ll even help you if you : need it. Anything to bring you over from the "dark" side…seriously, : alternative medicine treats the cause of disease while conventional medicine : usually just treats symptoms. *** Since when? Are you another one of those who believe Magic Minerals can *cure* diabetes? A zapper can kill all your parasites and cure you of "All Diseases", even if you weren’t diagnosed with any? this is why you "think" that it takes alot : longer… *** Which herbs are now being used to cure cancer, Aids, scleroderma, enlarged hearts, hangnails? It’s not that it is a longer process per se but it’s the right : process. *** Because YOU said so? The ONLY process. *** Really? :D Drugs to NOT make you healthy. *** What does besides exercise, good diet and genetics? They mask symptoms : while creating many others.. *** Many other what? .I’ll stop now..sorry, I’m just a very passionate : practioner. *** And you’re making a lot of money too right? — Carol…. Thinking of trying health alternatives? … See: http://www.quackwatch.com/index.html first. : :

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> Trust me,[deleted] > You can easily find a good practitioner in alternative medicine. Just do your research. I’ll even help you if you > need it[deleted]…I’ll stop now..sorry, I’m just a very passionate > practioner.

Okay, Ted, I’d like to trust you, but first a few questions from a consumer. 1. What kind of practitioner are you in the alternative medical field? 2. Where would one start doing research? 3. And in your "practice" do you ever work with conventional providers from the ‘dark’ side? Thanks. Spritzingly yours. . .

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: Some things are proven to an individual’s : satisfaction because that person has tried it and it worked for them. : Some things may be bunk. It is really up to you to decide. And in many cases the person did NOTHING and took NOTHING and were soon well. Just because you pop an herb or run a "zapper" over yourself and feel better the next day doesn’t mean the herb/pill/zapper or whatnot was the cause. — Carol…. For the truth and another opinion… http://www.quackwatch.com/index.html

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>For years I’ve thought alternative medicine was just a fad and a big >hype over nothing. However, so many people seem to be relying on them >as a cure for medical ailments so I was just wondering what the benefits >are? Doesn’t it take a lot longer to see improvement and how can >someone choose alternative medicine over conventional medicine without >proof that the conventional medicine really works…isn’t there a lot of >fraud in the industry? >-KD

Most of the contraversy in this NG is exactly about this issue. Think and experiment for yourself. There is no one who can decide these issues for you. You are on your own. Who and what you trust is up to you. Roger

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Trust me, the fraud is in conventional medicine. You can easily find a good practitioner in alternative medicine. Just do your research. I’ll even help you if you need it. Anything to bring you over from the "dark" side…seriously, alternative medicine treats the cause of disease while conventional medicine usually just treats symptoms. this is why you "think" that it takes alot longer…It’s not that it is a longer process per se but it’s the right process. The ONLY process. Drugs to NOT make you healthy. They mask symptoms while creating many others…I’ll stop now..sorry, I’m just a very passionate practioner.

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> >For years I’ve thought alternative medicine was just a fad and a big >hype over nothing. However, so many people seem to be relying on them >as a cure for medical ailments so I was just wondering what the benefits >are? Doesn’t it take a lot longer to see improvement and how can >someone choose alternative medicine over conventional medicine without >proof that the conventional medicine really works…isn’t there a lot of >fraud in the industry? > You might ask others for the scientific proof for many alternative > health modalities. I frankly do not pay much attention to the > attempts to prove or disprove anything scientifically. For me, > scientific proof supports my enthusiasm. Scientific disproof doesn’t > do much for me.

You might continue to ask others. It is the sign of a closed mind when an individual uses a method of verification only when it supports their beliefs. The above speaks for itself. If "scientific proof" means anything, why does it do so only when it supports a particular point of view? <silence> arf

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A typical post from a typical poster… do you want THIS person giving you medical advice? — Carol…. Thinking of trying health alternatives? … See: http://www.quackwatch.com/index.html first. : I am pleased to inform you upon finding your message that you will have : a great help if you join health system which I have involved. :

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: I have found that the following work for me: Notice he never says what it works for! How convenient. — Carol…. Thinking of trying health alternatives? … See: http://www.quackwatch.com/index.html first.

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>For years I’ve thought alternative medicine was just a fad and a big >hype over nothing. However, so many people seem to be relying on them >as a cure for medical ailments so I was just wondering what the benefits >are? Doesn’t it take a lot longer to see improvement and how can >someone choose alternative medicine over conventional medicine without >proof that the conventional medicine really works…isn’t there a lot of >fraud in the industry? >-KD

You might ask others for the scientific proof for many alternative health modalities. I frankly do not pay much attention to the attempts to prove or disprove anything scientifically. For me, scientific proof supports my enthusiasm. Scientific disproof doesn’t do much for me. I have found that the following work for me: Traditional Chinese Medicine Acupressure, which I use all the time Anthroposophical Medicine Affirmations Homeopathy Flower Remedies Nutrition Improvement Ayurvedic Medicine Aerobics (yes, aerobics. Aerobics used to be alternative until proven.) Do In Western Herbology etc. Sincerely, Roger Bird

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> For years I’ve thought alternative medicine was just a fad and a big > hype over nothing.

Unfortunately, the tendency of alt med promoters to make wild and unfounded claims (they don’t ALL do it and MANY of the claims have merit) tarnish the entire movement. > However, so many people seem to be relying on them > as a cure for medical ailments so I was just wondering what the benefits > are? Doesn’t it take a lot longer to see improvement and how can > someone choose alternative medicine over conventional medicine without > proof that the conventional medicine really works…isn’t there a lot of > fraud in the industry?

Lots of fraud. And the more credulous people become, the more fraud there will be. Your best bet is to shop aroung for an alt med friendly MD. Find someone who will answer your questions and, if you want lots of info, be prepared to PAY for it. Docs get slammed a lot for not spending hours educating people about the nuamces of modern medicine. You wouldn’t expect a lawyer to see you for free though. If you are considering a treatment, get info from skeptical sources as well as alt med promoters. Then take responsibility for your actions. Simple, n’est-ce pas? fdg

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For years I’ve thought alternative medicine was just a fad and a big hype over nothing. However, so many people seem to be relying on them as a cure for medical ailments so I was just wondering what the benefits are? Doesn’t it take a lot longer to see improvement and how can someone choose alternative medicine over conventional medicine without proof that the conventional medicine really works…isn’t there a lot of fraud in the industry? -KD

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>For years I’ve thought alternative medicine was just a fad and a big >hype over nothing. However, so many people seem to be relying on them >as a cure for medical ailments so I was just wondering what the benefits >are? Doesn’t it take a lot longer to see improvement and how can >someone choose alternative medicine over conventional medicine without >proof that the conventional medicine really works…isn’t there a lot of >fraud in the industry? >-KD

This is a very tall order. One would have to prove hundreds of things,perhaps thousands. Some things have been proven scientifically. Some things are proven to an individual’s satisfaction because that person has tried it and it worked for them. Some things may be bunk. It is really up to you to decide. Roger

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